04 Latim Medieval nos Países Eslavos do Norte e Finlândia

LATIM MEDIEVAL NOS PAÍSES ESLAVOS DO NORTE  E FINLÂNDIA. LATIN IN NORTHERN SLAVIC COUNTRIES AND FINLAND 
PROF. DR. DARCY CARVALHO. SÃO PAULO. SP. BRASIL. 2014

Contents: 01 02 03 04 05

01=    THIRD INTERNATIONAL WAY OF LATIN PRONUNCIATION : MEDIEVAL PRONUNCIATION

http://latindiscussion.com/forum/latin/3rd-international-way-of-pronunciation-medieval.13523/

First I intended to post this as a kind of "off-topic" reply into the Classical vs. Ecclesiastical pronunciation thread but then I decided to make a separate topic just to inform some Latinists that in terms of internationality we are not stuck just with the classical/restituted pronunciation and the ecclesiastical one.

I know that for many of you this is a bit irrelevant... but I feel that it is sometimes unfair that Latin pronunciations are simply divided just into the Class. and Eccl. and all those usually weird national traditional pronunciations which can be hardly used anywhere outside.

And I believe there should be also a post in this forum about this one.

Here the original post:

- Let alone all those "national traditional" pronunciations there was (and still is) also a third "international" group (quite strong) of "Central European / Medieval / Humanistic pronunciation" (3 names for one), which is today still prevalent in Bohemia or Hungary (I think that Germany has dumped it on a larger scale quite recently in favour of the classical one) and some other countries...

It could be considered either as an older stage of the ecclesiastical one (preecclesiastical) or some evolved stage of the post-classical one.

Some chief rules:

(note: all simple vowels basically agree with the class. way)

(note2: this is mainly directed to Latinists already being able to read Latin some other way)

- ce, ci, cae = tse, tsi, tsé (but with "ts" as one consonant, not two... - just like "zz" in "paparazzi" or "pizza"). Cicero -> Tsitsero; Caesar -> Tsésar

- gn = g+n

- all "g"s are like in the classical pron. (that is voiced "k") -> therefore: ge, gi = ge, gi (like in the classical -> voiced "ke, ki")

- "oe" and "ae" are long "e" (é) just like in the eccl. (if in one syllable)

- the initial "h" is pronounced

- ti+vowel = tsi+j+vowel (except for the Greek "ti+vowel" words like "Miltiades" -> Milt-ijades with "t"). So "pronuntio" -> pronuntsijo

- i+vowel (when in one syllable) = i+j+vowel (transitional "j" which can be heard even from mouths of manies trying to pronounce it by the classical way) -> natio = nacijo; laviniaque -> lavinijakve  

-all "j's of course are like "y" in "yes")

- all "v"s are pronounced as "v" in "varied" (that is labiodental "v")

- qu = kv (see "v" above)

- ngu = ngv (lingua -> lingva with already mentioned labiodental "v")

- "s" between two vowels = "z" - rosa -> roza

- "y" pronounced the same way as "i" (Aegyptus -> Égiptus)

- double consonants always pronounced as a single consonant

- "ex" before vowel changes to "egz" ( exemplum -> egzemplum )

- ph always like "f" in "film" (never like aspirated "p")

- "su" before vowel of the same syllable changes to "sv" (suavis -> svavis  but that can be hardly seen as usually "su" makes one whole syllable on itself as in suus, sua, suum

Central European/Medieval pronunciation (notable in words like "crescis, decrescis, aciem, sceleris" etc.).

IN RUSSIAN:

 c = [ts] before e, i, y, ae, oe; [k] elsewhere

 intervocalic s = [z]

 tiV = [tsi], but not in sti, xti, Greek words

 y =

 ae = [e]

 oe = [ø]

 u=v in ngu, su (in suavis, suadeo)

 qu = [kv]

 ph = [f]

 th = [t]

 ch = [x]

 + heavy Russian accent (‘the language is dead, therefore we don’t care about the pronunciation’).

This slightly differs from the system described above, thought essentially it’s the same.

 

CROATIAN MEDIEVAL/TRADITIONAL VERSIFICATION IS SIMILAR TO RUSSIAN:

 ae/oe=e

 i=j (which refers to the beginning of the words, when i is standing before a vocal)

 y=i

 c=c (before the e (e, ae, oe, eu) and before i (i, y)

 C./Cn.=g

 ch, ph, th= h, f, t

 k=c (except in Kalendae and Kaeso)

 ngu=ngv

 q=kv

 rh=r

 su=sv (before a vocal)

 ti=ci (before a vocal - except when i is long, when in front of ti there are s, t, x, in Greek words, in archaic form of the infinitive of the present passive)

šaka suza, vrića smija ča je život vengo fantažija

Brunhilda, Feb 21, 2012

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02= MEDIEVAL LATIN IN POLAND . NICOLAUS COPERNICUS

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Darcy Carvalho,
7 de set de 2014 19:06
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Darcy Carvalho,
5 de set de 2014 07:01
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